Understanding and Combatting Anti-Semitism

Why is it important to define anti-Semitism?

In this episode of Inside The Epicenter, Joel speaks highly of EJ Kimball, a passionate advocate for the Jewish community and expert on national security and the Middle East. Dr. Carl Moeller had the opportunity to interview Kimball at the NRB 2023 convention, where they discussed the investment in the region, the significance of Jewish American Heritage Month, the rise of anti-Semitism, and the need for education and support. 

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- [EJ] The issue of antisemitism is one that obviously spreads beyond Israel. I mean, it impacts Jews all across the world. And it is actually very important to understand, antisemitism did not begin with Israel, it began with Jews.

- [Carl] Hello. We were at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention in May of this year, and we interviewed EJ Kimball.

- [Joel] Carl, I'm so glad that you had the opportunity to interview EJ Kimball. I haven't met him yet, though I'm looking forward to it. He's got a great reputation as a Middle East expert, a foreign policy consultant, a nationally recognized expert in US national security. And he uses a lot of depth and experience, legal and management experience, as well as creativity. And, you know, anyway, to sort of think through how to help pro-Israel organizations and Jewish organizations to fulfill their mission, and particularly in fighting antisemitism. But that's just one of several things, standing with Israel. And he's really done a really good job at reaching out to evangelical Christians and helping Jews who are looking for allies to sort of get comfortable with and build relationships, even alliances with evangelical Christians. And one of the things I was so grateful for this summer, summer of 2023, was that EJ helped us invite Natan Sharansky, the Jewish hero of the last, you know, half century, a man who was nine years in the Soviet gulag, Soviet prison system because of his defense of Jewish human rights and all human rights. Spent nine years in that Soviet gulag, was eventually released, Sharansky was, and he moved here to Israel. He then went into politics. He spent nine years serving in the Israeli government, in the Knesset, and even as high as the Deputy Prime Minister. He also then after that spent nine years as the head of the Jewish Agency, probably the premier role as sort of the ambassador of the Jewish world, to the Jewish world. And I got to work with Natan Sharansky briefly just for a few months, really, back in the summer of 2000. But that built a friendship that has lasted 23 years. It was so fun to have Natan speak to a group of pastors that we brought over, that you brought over, Carl, to Israel here, to better understand, these were young pastors and their wives, better understand what's going on here. And so EJ did just a wonderful job. We were so grateful to set up that meeting so that these young pastors could understand and meet with somebody of the caliber and import of Natan Sharansky. So, very grateful for EJ Kimball. I'd love to hear what he has to say.

- [Carl] What do you think about the increase of antisemitism in our present time, and how can we deal with it as Christians in the US and the Middle East?

- [EJ] Well, I'm very concerned, Carl, about the spike in antisemitism worldwide as well as in the United States. It concerns me. I don't know if we have the time in this podcast to break down all the reasons, but I wanna mention something that I think is important. And let me draw your attention to John chapter 10, verse 10, the Gospel of John, chapter 10, verse 10. We all know this verse, many Christians do. It's very famous. Where Jesus says, "The thief comes to rob, kill and destroy. But I came that they may have life and have it abundantly." Now, this verse, Carl, I really believe gives us a huge insight into the roots, the rationale of antisemitism. And some people are thinking, what are you talking about? What does John 10:10 have to do with antisemitism? Well, here's what it has to do with it, what it's describing, what Jesus is describing is Satan versus him, right? Satan is the thief. And Satan comes to rob, kill and destroy. And that's the exact opposite of Jesus, who comes to bring life and bring it abundantly. Now, in that verse, what we learn is that Jesus and Satan are diametrically opposed, they're total opposites. They're not equal. Jesus has all authority in heaven, on earth. Jesus is all powerful, and Satan is not. Satan is a created being. Jesus is the creator, right? We know this from all the other scriptures. But we know from John 10:10 with great clarity that Jesus and Satan are total opposites. So everything God wants, Satan is opposed to, right? Now, once you understand that principle, you understand where antisemitism comes from. Let me just briefly explain it. So we know from the Old Testament, from the Book of Genesis, for example, that God loves the Jewish people and gave us a promise to bless us. So Satan does the exact opposite, right? So he decides, fine, God's gonna bless the Jews. I'm gonna curse the Jews. We know from the Old Testament scriptures that God decided to give the Holy Land as a promised land to us. So Satan says, fine, you're gonna give them that land, I'm gonna take it away, right? We know from the Old Testament scriptures that God chose Jerusalem for himself, to make it a praise to his name, right? And to make Jerusalem a city of peace. So Satan says, fine, you're gonna make it a city of peace, I'm gonna make it a city of bloodshed, right? We know that God shows Mount Mariah, we now call it the Temple Mount, to put his temple there that would be holy to the name of God. So Satan says, fine, you're gonna pick a mountain and build a temple on it and make it holy to your name. I'm gonna destroy that temple and I'm going to make it unholy. My point is, every promise, every blessing that God has made to and for the Jewish people, to bless us and to give us life and give it to us abundantly, Satan wants to rob, kill and destroy it. And that's why so many people in the world hate Jews, right? It's very difficult to understand otherwise. If you don't look for a theological reason, then why did Haman, in the Book of Esther, wanna annihilate the Jewish people? Why wipe about an entire people just 'cause you were offended by one person? Why did the Pharaoh enslave the entire nation of Israel? Why did Hitler try to kill all the Jews in the world and successfully murder six million of us? Why did Stalin treat Jews so horribly and kill so many of us? I mean, you just go on throughout history, it doesn't actually make sense. And why have so many empires wanted to rob, kill and destroy Israel? Rob, kill and destroy Jerusalem, right? Think about that. Jerusalem, it doesn't sit on the highest mountain in the world. It doesn't have gold, it doesn't have silver, it doesn't have diamonds, it doesn't even have a river. It barely has water. Why in the world would anyone care to rob, kill and destroy and conquer Jerusalem over and over and over again and kill Jews in the process? Well, we know from John 10:10, because God has chosen Jerusalem for his own namesake and wants it to be the capital of the Jewish people. And Satan doesn't want that to happen. So Israel's important to Satan because it's important to God. Jews are important to Satan because we're important to God. Jerusalem is important to Satan because it's important to God. Because Satan is the exact opposite of God. And John 10:10 tells us that. So as we understand that, I just think for me, it's incumbent upon Christians to bless and love and stand with Israel and the Jewish people. We don't have to agree with everything that a Jewish person or Israeli does, but we need to show unconditional love to this people, to this nation, to this nation state, to this city of Jerusalem. Because this city, state, nation, and people are important to God.

- [Carl] Combating antisemitism and helping Americans understand a little bit more about the relationship and unique features of the relationship between the US and Israel. We're gonna talk today to an expert who's worked in all of those areas and many, many more. A nice Jewish kid from western Massachusetts, EJ Kimball. EJ, we're really glad to have you with us. And I want just say, welcome everyone to this episode of "Inside the Epicenter with Joel Rosenberg", a podcast of the Joshua Fund, a ministry dedicated to blessing Israel and her neighbors in the name of Jesus. I'm Carl Moeller, the executive director of the Joshua Fund. And again, I'm joined here today by EJ Kimball. So many titles, so little time, EJ. I'm really glad to welcome you to the Epicenter Podcast.

- [EJ] Well, thanks, Carl. It's a pleasure to be here, and it's nice to see you.

- [Carl] Yeah. So let's talk about antisemitism for a section. You're the Director of Christian Outreach and Engagement. And just so our podcast listeners can know, we're here at the National Religious Broadcasters. We're at the Joshua Fund and All Israel and All Arab News Booth. But tell me, you know, you and I share an East Coast upbringing, but what is a nice Jewish boy from western Massachusetts doing here at the National Religious Broadcasters among us crazy evangelicals?

- [EJ] Well, that's the same question my father asks me. So you're in good company. I'm here to talk about the issue of antisemitism and the need for the non-Jewish community to engage and to start, and to work with the Jewish community in fighting back against this evil scourge that destroys societies. And you know, as you mentioned, I'm here with the Combat Antisemitism movement and the NRB convention, this is our fourth time being here. And every year we have seen more interest, a better understanding of antisemitism. And it shows us that the Evangelical Christian community wants to be engaged in it. So it's great to be here and great to see so many friends here.

- [Carl] Well, really and truly, this is a place where friends of Israel all are. And that's what's exciting to have you with us, because, you know, with Joel living in Israel, having the opportunity to kind of do life there, it's unique and it's different than doing it from the US. So really, really glad to have you with us and to help us really understand this. But, so let's just say antisemitism, how are we gonna define that? Wow would you define antisemitism?

- [EJ] So that is a great question because it's actually top of mind right now as the White House has been discussing and developing a strategy to deal with the rising antisemitism in this country. And the debate that is in the news is how are they going to define antisemitism? Because you can't solve a problem until you define a problem.

- Define it, right.

- [EJ] But thankfully, for all of us, there actually is a definition, the gold standard definition, which is the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, IHRA, working definition of antisemitism. This is something that was developed. It's a non-binding definition that has now been adopted by over 30 countries. It's been adopted by many states here. It has been adopted and endorsed by organizations at local levels, at national levels. In fact, the NRB last year at the convention endorsed the IHRA working definition of antisemitism. And the reason that I say it's the gold standard is because it lays out this definition of antisemitism, but even more importantly includes 11 contemporary examples of things that could be antisemitic. You know, holding Israel to a double standard that no other country is held to. Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel. You know, sort of this dual loyalty, that if you're a Jew, you support Israel over your home country. And right now the White House is getting a lot of pressure from some anti-Israel groups, some antisemitic groups, and groups on, you know, the woke progressive left, people could see my quotations to include alternative definitions to antisemitism. Because to them, criticism of Israel, even to the point of holding it to a double standard, should not be considered antisemitism. You know, they want to have their cake and eat it too. That is something that we as an organization were really founded upon, was the need to define this problem. And this something that under bipartisan, or I guess you would call this a nonpartisan issue amongst our government in that from President Bush to Obama to Trump, to Biden, have all endorsed, in some capacity, this definition, it's been adopted by the State Department, Department of Education. This is something that is being recognized, yet there is a real strong battle being fought by the enemies of this definition, because they know that this is actually accurately defining antisemitism today.

- [Carl] Well, you and I were talking a little bit about this last night. And one of the tragedies is that the friendship between Israel and the US is being threatened in subtle ways by this agenda, this woke agenda that advocates only on a power relationship, and really distorts the entire friendship along very negative lines. Looking at Israel as a bad actor, looking at Israel's security as not as important, perhaps as, you know, we would take our own security issues. I mean, so, you know, with Combat Antisemitism, you know, and especially your outreach to the Christian community, I wanna ask you, you know, what are some of the things that you're doing? What are some of the ways that you're helping to promote a recognition that antisemitism still exists and that people, you know, need to fight it?

- [EJ] So the first thing that we're doing is educating people. If you're a Jew living in America, you have either experienced antisemitism or know someone who's experienced antisemitism. You've certainly seen the reports of antisemitism. For the most part, the non-Jewish community doesn't see the day-to-day antisemitic activities that are happening unless you get some major attack like the Tree of Life Synagogue. That was something that got national attention. But generally speaking, the day-to-day attacks on Jews are not being covered by the media the way that other minority communities would be getting that same attention. So we're working to expose that, not for the sake of shock value, but to actually inform people that this is happening. It's happening in the United States. It's getting worse. It happens no matter where you are. It's not only happening in cities, it's happening all over the place, to all communities. And it's helping people become more aware. So we have a weekly newsletter that people can sign up through christians.combatantisemitism.org.

- [Carl] I was gonna give that website, but good, I'm glad you did it.

- [EJ] I beat you to the punch. We'll do that again later. But they can go on, sign up and get our weekly newsletters, which will give you the bad, it'll show you what's happening, but also giving you the positive. Where the IHRA I-H-R-A adoptions are happening, where Congress is talking about this issue, giving them positive developments that are happening in the world to fight antisemitism, and looking at the trends that are happening so that you can really become much more informed.

- [Carl] Well, you know, I think it is a battle of information. It's a battle of winning people's ear to hear what antisemitism is, how it seeps in. Some of the things that you mentioned aren't something that we would immediately assume are antisemitic, and yet they are. And I think there's some very special things happening, you know, right now with the Combat Antisemitism movement. And maybe you could talk a little bit about some of the things that you're doing.

- [EJ] Sure. So our biggest initiative right now that I'm sure most people are unaware of is that the month of May is Jewish American Heritage Month.

- [Carl] I thought it was some other--

- [EJ] It's also Asian American and Pacific Islander Month, which--

- [Carl] It's also peanut butter and jelly month.

- [EJ] We are very proud of that as well. And all groups should be recognized. But Jewish American Heritage Month does not get the recognition that others get. And so we have launched a campaign that, when Congress passed this, and it was signed into law back in 2006, declaring the month of May Jewish American Heritage Month, it wasn't just this declaration. It also called upon states and local governments and the American people to celebrate the contributions of Jewish Americans to our history and culture. And calling upon states and local governments to issue proclamations. So, as an organization, this has been our major initiative. We kickstarted this with an event on Capitol Hill, April 27th. We had 14 members of the House and Senate come, bipartisan representation, talking about the need to celebrate Jewish American history. And we have had all over the country proclamations from governors to legislatures to mayors to organizations putting out these messages. And really for those that are hearing this, whether you're hearing this in the month of May or you're hearing this in the month of June, it is so important that people are aware. Go tell a friend or five friends, just tell them, did you know that the month of May is Jewish American Heritage Month? Just to inform people about this. It is so vitally important.

- [Carl] I would imagine most of my Jewish friends don't even know that the month of May...

- [EJ] It's very possible, it is very possible.

- [Carl] Well, that's something we need to definitely, you know, make sure that everybody listening goes to that website, that christians.combatantisemitism.org website and sign up for the newsletter and sign up for the action points. 'Cause I know there's tremendous things that can be done and should be done. How is the work of Combat Antisemitism being seen in Israel from your perspective? I mean, how is it, you know, received there?

- [EJ] It's being received very positively in Israel.

- As you would imagine.

- As you could imagine, as you could imagine. The issue of antisemitism is one that obviously spreads beyond Israel. I mean, it impacts Jews all across the world. And it is actually very important to understand, you know, antisemitism did not begin with Israel, it began with Jews. What's happened in the importance of this IHRA working definition of antisemitism and the examples that it gives is that historically, when there's been issues within a society, when there's been plagues, when the economies are not doing well, there was always looking for a scapegoat. And so who is the scapegoat? It was always the Jews. The problems we have today are because of the Jews who live amongst us. The Jews are taking our jobs. The Jews are looking to do all these evil things, and that's why things are not going well. It was always the Jews living amongst us. With the reestablishment of the Jewish state of Israel in 1948, what has happened since then and what we see more and more often is that you could take all the antisemitic tropes that were pointed towards Jews and replace Jews living amongst us with the Jewish state, living amongst the family of nations.

- [Carl] Interesting, and it's just transferred.

- [EJ] The coronavirus pandemic, the conspiracy theory is that Israel was behind this. Historically it's the Jews who caused the plagues. Now it's Israel that causes the pandemic. These are the sorts of things that--

- Dangerous.

- That come out as danger. And that really is the vital importance of this definition, which is why, you know, we have called upon the White House to make it very clear when they put out this strategy that you don't talk about two definitions. If you have two definitions, you have no definition. And a strategy that doesn't define the problem is worthless.

- [Carl] Wow, really well said, EJ. And it's so important for everybody who, on our podcast listeners, who really does care about Israel, to make sure that they get informed about what antisemitism is, where it's showing up, how people can combat it, and to be a voice for Israel through combating antisemitism. I'm excited to continue that conversation going forward with you.

- [EJ] Yeah, and I appreciate that. And I do wanna say we are a non-partisan organization.

- [Carl] Right, all kinds of partnerships.

- [EJ] While I am going very hard on the White House, the Biden White House right now, I do wanna make a point that in the Congress there is a House and Senate bipartisan task forces on combating antisemitism. And the Democratic leaders of those task forces have told the White House very clearly to include this IHRA working definition in their strategy. So this is not a partisan issue. This is non-partisan, bipartisan support, that this is the gold standard definition that must be used if we're serious about actually tackling the issue of antisemitism.

- [Carl] Well, I respect that, and I think that's really, really important. And you also work with other organizations. You're not doing this alone. You're actually, you know, concentrating your energy to help coordinate other organizations, right?

- [EJ] Yeah, so the Combat Antisemitism movement, it was founded in 2019 and it's a movement. We have nearly two million people that are part of this movement. We have over 600 organizations around the world that are part of this. And we help, you know, some are very small organizations that you've never heard of but are doing good work, don't have the resources to do as much as they can. So we network with them, we help connect them with other organizations. We will help amplify the work that they're doing and help so that they don't have to spend money doing stuff that others are already doing. So we are unique in that respect in fighting antisemitism to make this a global grassroots movement to end the world's oldest evil.

- [Carl] Okay, well, I think we may be in danger of losing some of our electricity. There's a thunderstorm going on outside. Well, you know, it's amazing, I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear about the network and I'm glad to hear about that this is a movement that literally has millions of people. We need more, and we need more people to really engage with combatantisemitism.org. For all of our listeners, evangelicals, who really want to be a part of standing and adding our voice to support Israel. EJ, we're gonna come back and talk about your other big hat that you've got on and why you're here. And we're gonna take a quick break right now. But we're gonna come back and talk about the US Israel Education Association. Our verse of the day today is found in Genesis chapter 12, verses one to three. "Then the Lord said to Abram, leave your country, your kindred and your father's household and go to the land I will show you. I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you. I will make your name great so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. And all the families of the earth will be blessed through you." Our prayer request today are for the church in the US to pray for Jews, not only in Israel and throughout the Middle East, but around the world and even here in America that are facing antisemitic attitudes and actions. And second, for Christians around the world, put their arms around their Jewish neighbors so we can fulfill God's command to bless his people. Well, EJ, I'm so glad we're back for a second half of this conversation, and hopefully before the power goes out, we can do that. I know we're still recording audio, I hope our video's coming through reasonably well. But you're also the Director of Policy and Strategic Operations for the US Israel Education Association. That sounds great. What is that? What kind of organization is that?

- [EJ] So the US Israel Education Association is a non-profit that educates bipartisan members of Congress on the US-Israel collaboration. And our work is tied to three pillars. We bring members of Congress to Israel, we go throughout Israel, we go into the territories to show them areas that they wouldn't normally see. Even though they hear about them, but they don't actually see them. We educate on Capitol Hill and provide thought leadership in the media. So that's sort of our general work. And sort of into brass tacks, as an organization, we were founded in 2011 and started bringing members of Congress who would go usually to Israel as a freshman member, taking more senior members back to Israel to take things to the next level. And I'd say one of our biggest successes, initial success, was members on a trip from the House Armed Services Committee met with the then Prime Minister and now Prime Minister Netanyahu about Iron Dome. Which now everyone knows about Iron Dome, but back then it was classified. And they told the Prime Minister they wanted to see it. He declassified it. They saw what it was and the potential lifesaving possibilities. And within six months, Congress started funding Iron Dome. And that collaboration in the defense space has just continued to grow now with joint missile development and protective technologies. So, and that all emanated from that first trip that USIEA took these members on.

- [Carl] Wow, that's incredible. And you know, the ongoing relationship requires education, doesn't it? I mean, we can't, this is part of the big challenge. One of the things that you and I are also working on is trying to educate Americans, in particular pastors, about why if we don't keep educating them about this unique relationship, how we're gonna lose it. We could be one generation away from a church in America that doesn't recognize the unique relationship between America and Israel, and work everything we can to help maintain that.

- [EJ] Yeah, so it's vitally important to provide this education. We've got members of Congress that come in, and they're coming in after, younger people coming in who have been, in some cases, indoctrinate is too strong of a term. They've been influenced by their surroundings. Not a direct indoctrination, but the surroundings. There's just a narrative out there that Israel, which is shocking to an older generation, but Israel has become the Goliath in the David versus Goliath story. Israel is no longer the David fighting against the big bad Arab armies. They're the Goliath and the Palestinians are the David. And what we're helping to educate is that that is a misconception of the conflict. It's not the Palestinians versus Israelis. Palestinians, the Palestinian people are working together with Israel. It is the Palestinian leadership. It is Hamas and Palestinian Islamic jihad that is doing a disservice to the people. They're waging a war against Israel. A war that almost the entire world has recognized is over, a war that Israel won in 1948 that the Arab armies attacked them. But there are some unwilling to recognize that. So we're helping to understand what is happening today, the collaboration between Israelis and Palestinians, especially areas like integrated business, that people are shocked to hear Israelis and Palestinians are working together. I mean, but it's happening.

- [Carl] It's totally happening. And you know, we've talked about one of our dear friends, an attorney who works extensively with the business community in Israel. A lot of times he'll, via Zoom from Jerusalem, talk to an education or a business class in a US university. And he'll say, okay, human rights is a huge issue in the Middle East. Let me tell you what happened to this community. And he goes down a list of human rights violations. Unjust imprisonments, lack of, you know, the ability, and he goes, if I told you I was talking about Israel and the Palestinians, which one would you think those human rights violations took place in? And you know, the majority of people have been, like you said, exposed to an environment where the oxygen in the room is filled with this view that Israel is the bad actor. So a lot of 'em will say, well, that must be the Israeli's against the Palestinians. He goes, no, it's the Palestinians against their own people. It's the Palestinian authority and the Hamas and the others that are doing that. And where we see collaboration, cooperation is lived out in the day-to-day lives and work lives of Palestinians and Israelis, Jews and Arabs, Muslims, Christians and Jews working together and living together. That's the beautiful picture that I think the education needs to emphasize. And I'm sure you've seen similar things like that, where the misconception is massive.

- [EJ] Yes. And so there are two major initiatives that I want to mention to your audience. And they can go to usieducation.org to read more about it. The first one is integrated business. This is business between Israelis and Palestinians, specifically those living in the West Bank and the disputed territories, where most people don't realize that under Israeli law, Palestinians who are able to go through the checkpoints and come over and work in these Israeli communities are entitled under the law to the same pay as Israelis, to the same benefits as Israelis. And in certain cases, they're making three to five times as much as they would make doing similar work under the Palestinian Authority control. Which benefits the Palestinian Authority because they're still paying taxes like we all pay taxes. And that means that they're paying taxes on a higher income. And this provides the Palestinian people, what do people wanna do with their family? They wanna provide for their family. So now they're making more money, they can provide a home for their family. And it discourages terrorism because they have hope for the future. And what we're hoping is the reality today is there is no peace process. And people can point to their reasons for why it's not. You could put blame on both sides, it doesn't matter. The reality is there's no peace process today. But we need to be doing something so that in the future there can be a possibility for a real peace. And economic integration, business can help bring that. And which actually leads into the other initiative--

- The second initiative.

- Right. Which is look at real peace, and that's the Abraham Accords. And what I wanted to mention is another initiative that we have called America's Medical Friendshoring Solution. Which is looking and tackling our supply chain challenge, our pharmaceutical medical device supply chain overdependence on China, and looking at ways to friendshore some aspects of it, to the Abraham Accords countries. To Israel, Morocco, Bahrain, the UAE. Between the innovation, the manufacturing capabilities. There is an opportunity to look at the Abraham Accords region in future countries as a staging ground for the US offshore life science supply chain. Yeah, sure, bring back what we can, but what we can't, let's look for a place that's more secure.

- [Carl] Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, I'm glad you brought up the Abraham Accords. I'm glad you brought up this as an integrated approach. Because, you know, there's so much potential for seeing investment into this area as a result of the Abraham Accords. And again, I think one of the biggest tasks, podcasts like ours, others, is to make people aware of the benefits of doing this and how it's really integral, I think, to our mission at the Joshua Fund, to bless those who bless Israel. You know, when God is blessing us, we like to believe it's because we're doing something that he's in favor of. And I can tell you that peace is always in God's favor. God always smiles when people make peace. He said, "Blessed are the peacemakers." And you know, from our perspective, what you're doing is really helping to, you know, bring about that acceleration of the fabric of peace and to really dispel some of the darkness and myths around what's taking place in the Middle East. And couldn't be happier with getting a chance to hear about this. And so the website again is usieducation, usieducation.org. And that's where they'll be able to have access to all of the examples and stories and various other things that you just shared about?

- [EJ] Yes, yes. And we've got resource page for both the Integrated Business Initiative as well as America's Medical Friendshoring Solution, as well as other resources for your listeners to learn more about the work that we're doing, and just to get more educated about the issues going on.

- [Carl] Well, I know a lot of our listeners are people who really deeply care about Israel, about the neighboring countries, including the Gulf states that are part of the Abraham Accords, but most of them are in business somewhere. And so the idea that you're helping to promote the capacity, to use the laws and the agreements that are under the Abraham Accords and get the US mobilized in there, I think that can be a huge win for everybody listening to really pray for and to really work towards seeing that happen. And so I want to go over those websites again. Combat Antisemitism is christians.combatantisemitism.org. And we're gonna, you know, encourage people to go there, get the newsletter and do little things in big ways for combating that pernicious thing called antisemitism.

- [EJ] And urging you all to share that May is Jewish American Heritage Month. It is a very small ask, but it will have such a huge impact.

- [Carl] No question about it. And then, of course, the usieducation.org for the US Israel Education Association. Man, EJ, it's great talking with you. I'm so glad you could be on the program with us. And really enjoy getting to know you a little bit better and do that. And I know Joel sends his greetings and looks forward to seeing you in Israel sometime when you're there pretty soon.

- [EJ] Sounds good. Well, I appreciate the opportunity to share with you.

- [Carl] Well, God bless you. And to our listeners, if you would like to learn more about what the Joshua Fund is doing, you can visit our website at joshuafund.com. And there you can learn about what we're doing in the Middle East to bless Israel and her neighbors in the name of Jesus, and how you can participate in the healing work that we're doing in this critical region. And as always, if you've heard anything from this show that you'd like more information on, you can check out our show notes. For Joel Rosenberg, I'm Carl Moeller. Thanks for listening to this episode of "Inside the Epicenter".

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